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| | | Zeldian Subtext I brought these theories up a long time ago, and it was very controversial. But I didn't stop thinking about it, nor will I. But; I've changed my thinking a bit. I think that Miamoto is just telling a story. A very very subtle story. He probably isn't a racist, he just wants to re-tell an account of something we all know about. But the antisemitism league pees their pants about absolutely everything. So he HAD to be subtle. Remember they thought Passion of the Christ was ''antisemitic''? Even though it was historically accurate. Well; Miamoto may love jewish people as much as the next peaceful loving guy, but I believe there was a story he wanted to tell, but he had to be creative about it.
Now; I want this to be more of a blog than a thread. I don't want a bunch of babies crying ''miamoto isn't a nazi!!!''. I'm not saying he is. Just read and think. If you have new ideas that help the general theory; post them. But if you disagree; I'm not interested. I'm going to analyze and over analyze and analyze some more. So keep it too yourself if you just want to fight. Find the thread about links hair color if you want to fire back about this thread.
My theory is that the Legend of Zelda is completely about World War 2. In every way.
There was a thing called ''Holomodor''. It's known as the ''Ukrainian Holocaust''. It happened almost ten years before world war two. I don't believe the game is about this really, but I have a reason for mentioning it. Anyhow; it was a famine that killed around 2 to 3 million Ukrainians. They believe it was ''genocide'' rather than natural. There wasn't a famine. Stalin wouldn't distribute the food to the people. And they all died. Dekulakization (Russian: раскулачивание) was the Soviet campaign of political repressions, including arrests, deportations, and executions of millions of the better-off peasants and their families in 1929-1932. The richer peasants were labeled kulaks and considered class enemies. More than 1.8 million peasants were deported in 1930-1931.[1][2] The stated purpose of the campaign was to fight the counter-revolution and build socialism in the countryside. This policy was accomplished simultaneously with Collectivization in the USSR and effectively brought all agriculture and peasants in the Soviet Russia under state control.
The "liquidation of the kulaks as class" was announced by Stalin on 27 December 1929.[1] The decision was formalized in resolution "On measures for the elimination of kulak households in districts of comprehensive collectivisation" on January 30, 1930. All kulaks were divided to three categories: (I) to be shot or imprisoned as decided by the local secret political police; (II) to be sent to Siberia, North, the Urals or Kazahstan, after confiscation of their property; and (III) to be evicted from their houses and used in labour colonies within their own districts.[1]
A combination of dekulakization, collectivization, and other repressive policies led to mass starvation in many parts of the Soviet Union and death of at least 14.5 million of peasants in 1930-1937, including 5 millions who died in Ukraine during Holodomor, according to estimate by historian Robert Conquest.[1]
Deku. Kokiri.
Anyhow; enough about that specific thing. On to world war two. Hitlers ideal warrior; blonde haired blue eyed Aryan. Green uniform. The german coat of arms, Etc. 
Master Race. Master Sword.
Ganon is Jewish. Now I used to think Miamoto was antisemitic. BUT; I just finished playing oot again, and was rocked by what Nabooru said about how Ganon is greedy and she'll NEVER follow him. So this re-telling of the whole ww2 tragedy is about the bad in the germans fighting the bad in the jewish race. That both sides had bad, and that Hitler was wrong, but that there ''were'' jewish monsters. That's what Ganon represents. He's from the desert, has bristly hair, jewels on his armor, is a greedy thief, long nose...... duh!
The Gorons represent the Chinese. The Sheika represent the Japanese. The Zoras represent the Filipinos. The Kokiri (and Korok, from Wind Waker) represent the Ukrainians. Capture of the Philippine Islands was crucial to Japan's effort to control the Southwest Pacific, seize the resource-rich Dutch East Indies, and protect its Southeast Asia flank. Its strategy called for roughly simultaneous attacks on Malaya, Thailand, American-held Guam and Wake, Hong Kong, Singapore, the Philippines, and Hawaii. Although the aim of the air strike on Hawaii's Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 was to destroy the U.S. Pacific Fleet in its home port, the others were meant to serve as preludes to full-scale invasion and occupation.
The valiant defense of the Philippines had several important consequences. It delayed the Japanese timetable for the conquest of south Asia, causing them to expend far more manpower and materiel resources than anticipated. Probably of equal importance, the determined resistance against overwhelming odds became a symbol of hope for the United States in the early, bleak days of the war.
In OOT; the Zoras Domain is in a cave. The battles in the Philippines were fought in caves and on the rocky shore.
Ganon killing the great Deku tree was about Stalin killing the Ukrainians. The Zelda story isn't as clear cut as Germans vs. Jews in my opinion. It's about good vs. evil within this horrible historic tragedy. The good and evil on all sides.
The gorons like sumo wrestling and bathing in hotsprings. The shiekas are ninjas that protect the princess. It's all there.
The Poes may possibly be the most important element in the subtext of the game. They're the pure hatred of dead Hylians. Which is important. I believe the game has an underlying moral to the hidden subtext of which I speak. Which is that there were many heros in ww2. America, the Phillipines, etc. Link represents all of them. They all wore green. Link was the warrior Hitler wishes that he was. Hitler was dillusional and evil. Many of his allies were too. But the true Aryan warrior stood up for good in the world, saved the Jews, and saved the whole world. That is what I believe Miamotos story is about.
This may also interest you: One of the most serious rifts occurred when Zelda told Scott that their sex life had declined because he was "a fairy" and likely having a homosexual affair with Hemingway. There is no evidence that either was homosexual, but Scott nonetheless decided to sleep with a prostitute to prove his masculinity. Zelda found condoms that he had purchased before any encounter occurred, and a bitter fight ensued, resulting in lingering jealousy.[58] She later threw herself down a flight of marble stairs at a party because Scott, engrossed in talking to Isadora Duncan, was ignoring her.
Thinking that miamoto gave link a ''fairy'' because of that may be reaching a bit, lol. But who knows. He did base Zeldas name on Zelda Fitzgerald. And would have known her story.
Some people here have made miamoto sound dumb and simpleminded in defense of him. Saying ''I don't think he was doing anything more than making a simple, fun game''. But to me; he's an incredibly intelligent historian with a great knack for detail. But you think what you want, and I'll do the same.
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07-08-2008, 09:32 AM
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| | I like your paranoid thinking (with the funny thing that it all fits too, as is costum with conspiracy thinkers  ), and I have just one question...
How did you find the name Kokiri? Deku I see, but kokiri I don't.
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07-08-2008, 10:03 AM
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07-08-2008, 02:41 PM
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| | | That's pretty 'out there', and I doubt any of it is true. I've heard the 'omg link is aryan' thing before, and I don't think anything is meant by it. That's what I think, anyway.
(The 'long nose' bit also made me laugh) | 
07-08-2008, 04:32 PM
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| | | If the Sheikahs were Japanese there would be some arrogant, over-sexed race of lovable rascals kicking their teeth in.
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07-08-2008, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackZero If the Sheikahs were Japanese there would be some arrogant, over-sexed, race of lovable rascals giving kicking their teeth in. | And they'd wield katanas. With pokemon. | 
07-08-2008, 06:37 PM
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| | | Haha. Anyhow; I got Kokiri from the kulaks. And the deku scrubs being leafy and having plants on there heads? Famin and dead Ukrainians because Stalin witheld their crops.
If I sat down with a history book, or just the knowledge I had on a subject, say; ancient egypt. I would be real creative with every character. I would try to be real to the true story of course. But in the case of our favorite game here, he had to work between a balance of truth and secrecy.
If my theory is at all true. There are some Jews who will try to shut me up (even in a violent way). I want to turn this into a book. But I need to collaborte with some historians. I believe though that normal Jewish people would like the book, and wouldn't stop playing the game. I don't think Miamoto was taking any sides in his story. I think he was just telling it. At this point; I really don't think he hates Jewish people. Remember; Link worked with Nabooru to save the Gerudos from Ganons evil.
And P.S. Mental; I'm pretty sure I'm the only human being who's noticed this. The OMG links a nazi thing was brought up by me in the Links hair color thread. If you HAVE heard this elsewhere, send me a link please. I'd like to check that site out and see what they have to say.
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07-08-2008, 06:41 PM
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| | | I also want to say that I am in no way a racist or prejudice toward anyone. People I know are and I yell at them for it all the time. I get called terrible things by these people all the time. You probably know what I mean? ______ lover. I'd rather not repeat it any more than that. But yeah; I just wanted to make that clear.
But at the same time; I don't think the fact that Zeldas about ww2 should upset anyone. Nobody cries about callofduty.
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07-08-2008, 07:07 PM
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If my theory is at all true. There are some Jews who will try to shut me up (even in a violent way). I want to turn this into a book. But I need to collaborte with some historians. I believe though that normal Jewish people would like the book, and wouldn't stop playing the game. I don't think Miamoto was taking any sides in his story. I think he was just telling it. At this point; I really don't think he hates Jewish people. Remember; Link worked with Nabooru to save the Gerudos from Ganons evil.
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07-08-2008, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rollo You're knowledge of history is so poor I think i just got cancer.
OH NOEZ IT'S ZOG! ZOG IS GONNA GET YOU, BETTER RUN! | Yeah, I think you are a little off base here. First, you indicate that the Sheikahs are symbolic of Japan, however I do not recall seeing any explanation of that, nor how the Japanese occupation of China and the Phillipines had anything to do with any relation between the Shiekahs and Gorons/Zoras.
Ganon is not Jewish, and the Jewish were not 'evil' by German standards. Hitler simply needed a scapegoat for Germany going down the tubes after WWI, and the Jews were the ones he decided to blame. That being said, Hitler sought perfection. This means that the Jews alone were not the enemies, but anyone who didn't meet Hitler's standards: including fellow Germans.
I don't see any striking resemblance between the German coat of arms and the Hylian shield other than they both have wings on them. Also, the vast majority of surface/forest elves are shown as blond hair blue eyed with green being their theme color. Does that mean all elves are symbolic of Hitler's race?
You said Ganon was Jewish. Stalin was not Jewish. The Jews did not kill Ukranians, but Gannon (the Jew) killed the Deku Tree (Ukrainians)
Sumo wrestling is a Japanese sport. The Shiekahs are a dead race, save for Impa and supposedly Shiek; Neither of which were present at the end of the game, leading me to assume Impa kicked it and we all know what happened with Sheik.
You also failed to mention the Italians and the Spanish: both playing a bigger role than one would imagine. And you also didn't cover the Japanese internment camps. Or the Canadians. Or the Aussies. Or the US for that matter. What race are we? I guess we are whatever happened to the Shiekahs. Let's also not forget about Hitler's deals with the Middle East, asking some very powerful people there to build him an army.
I suggest doing some independent research on WWII. Textbook history is very one sided and only tells you whatever your country thinks you need to know about it. Heck, US history books make is sound like we were the only ones who did any fighting. Of course, I know that's not true, but that's what we are taught. While I'm glad to see someone trying to make connections in history, I don't know if you really understand what all was taking place. Nothing wrong with that: it was a busy time with a lot of different things going on.
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